Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?
According to the indictment by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Russian trolls, operating out of St. Petersburg, took American identities on social media and became players in our 2016 election.
On divisive racial and religious issues, the trolls took both sides. In the presidential election, the trolls favored Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and Donald Trump, and almost never Hillary Clinton.
One imaginative Russian troll urged Trumpsters to dress up a female volunteer in an orange prison jump suit, put her in a cage on a flatbed truck, then append the slogan, “Lock Her Up!”
How grave a matter is this?
This Russian troll farm is “the equivalent (of) Pearl Harbor,” says Cong. Jerrold Nadler, who would head up the House Judiciary Committee, handling any impeachment, if Democrats retake the House.
When MSNBC’s Chris Hayes pressed, Nadler doubled down: The Russians “are destroying our democratic process.” While the Russian trolling may not equal Pearl Harbor in its violence, said Nadler, in its “seriousness, it is very much on a par” with Japan’s surprise attack.
Trump’s reaction to the hysteria that broke out after the Russian indictments: “They are laughing their (expletives) off in Moscow.”
According to Sunday’s Washington Post, the troll story is old news in Russia, where reporters uncovered it last year and it was no big deal.
While Mueller’s indictments confirm that Russians meddled in the U.S. election, what explains the shock and the fear for “our democracy”?
Is the Great Republic about to fall because a bunch of trolls tweeted in our election? Is this generation ignorant of its own history?
Before and after World War II, we had Stalinists and Soviet spies at the highest levels of American culture and government.
The Hollywood Ten, who went to prison for contempt of Congress, were secret members of a Communist Party that, directed from Moscow, controlled the Progressive Party in Philadelphia in 1948 that nominated former Vice President Henry Wallace to run against Harry Truman.
Soviet spies infiltrated the U.S. atom bomb project and shortened the time Stalin needed to explode a Soviet bomb in 1949.
As for Russian trolling in our election, do we really have clean hands when it comes to meddling in elections and the internal politics of regimes we dislike?
Sen. John McCain and Victoria Nuland of State egged on the Maidan Square crowds in Kiev that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine. When the democratically elected regime of Mohammed Morsi was overthrown, the U.S. readily accepted the coup as a victory for our side and continued aid to Egypt as tens of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood members were imprisoned.
Are the CIA and National Endowment for Democracy under orders not to try to influence the outcome of elections in nations in whose ruling regimes we believe we have a stake?
“Have we ever tried to meddle in other countries’ elections?” Laura Ingraham asked former CIA Director James Woolsey this weekend.
With a grin, Woolsey replied, “Oh, probably.”
“We don’t do that anymore though?” Ingraham interrupted. “We don’t mess around in other people’s elections, Jim?”
“Well,” Woolsey said with a smile. “Only for a very good cause.”
Indeed, what is the National Endowment for Democracy all about, if not aiding the pro-American side in foreign nations and their elections?
Did America have no active role in the “color-coded revolutions” that have changed regimes from Serbia to Ukraine to Georgia?
When Republicans discuss Iran on Capitol Hill, the phrase “regime change” is frequently heard. When the “Green Revolution” took to the streets of Tehran to protest massively the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2009, Republicans denounced President Obama for not intervening more energetically to alter the outcome.
When China, Russia and Egypt expel NGOs, are their suspicions that some have been seeded with U.S. agents merely marks of paranoia?
The U.S. role in the overthrow of Premier Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, and of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954, and of President Ngo Dinh Diem in Saigon in 1963 are established facts.
When the democratically elected Marxist Salvador Allende was overthrown in Chile in 1973, and committed suicide with an AK-47 given to him by Fidel Castro, the Nixon White House may have had no direct role. But the White House welcomed the ascendancy of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
What do these indictments of Russians tell us? After 18 months, the James Comey-Robert Mueller FBI investigation into the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails has yet to produce evidence of collusion.
Yet we do have evidence that a senior British spy and Trump hater, Christopher Steele, paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC to dig up dirt on Trump, colluded with Kremlin agents to produce a dossier of scurrilous and unsubstantiated charges, to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. And the FBI used this disinformation to get FISA Court warrants to surveil and wiretap the Trump campaign.
Why is this conspiracy and collusion with Russians less worthy of Mueller’s attention than a troll farm in St. Petersburg?
How can we encourage Netanyahu to Indict Obama for meddling in their elections so Trump can green light his extradition??
I had a wild thought yesterday………
What if Putin fought back against this and released documents showing how we interfered in their election and others? Pretty sure they have that information.
Information is a commodity – when it comes to intelligence, the Russians are not novices in the game.
If 13 Russians is a troll farm and an act of war, what do we call then President Obama’s direct meddling in the elections in Israel and his meddling in the Brexit vote?
Certainly those are acts of war!
Russia, the Soviet Union, or Communist Party have been involved in American politics openly or clandestinely for over a hundred years. 13 indictments from Mueller, pffffft.
Inquiring minds would LOVE to know how Hillary screwed the Ruskies and got them on the revenge train. It would probably make a great book and movie. They no doubt had their noses out of joint that that seamless liar double-crossed them some how.
Meh, I donāt know. I think itās a pretty interesting strategic and philosophical question for the cyber era. I mean if they physically destroyed infrastructure, say a prominent shipping port, with a bomb that would be obvious right? What if they achieved the exact same end by dicking up the computer automation? What about screwing up the electric grid or water treatment? Still great financial hazard, physical destruction, and health risk to citizens. What would be our allowable response to such an āattackā?
Not agreeing with PB, but it is a thoughtful question.
All indicted by this phony investigation will be pardoned.
I hope not! The only person worthy of that is Michael Flynn who likely set up this sting should a pardon even ultimately become necessary.
Manafort is sleazy and his now prosecuted acts were some time back and same applies to Gates – therein they are tied to Skadden + Podesta & Co. Manafort and Papodopolous were likely plants. Follow the money & connect the dots!
Mueller is a rotten communists liberal and literally insane.Trump better wake up because so much power in the hands of this fool will attempt to destroy America.
I think the problem is that in order to control the world, the deep state and their globalist cronies need to get two countries under control – the US and Russia – and with Putin and Trump that isn’t working out too well.
Oh, well.
So what? The Russians had their own Political Action Committee during the election. BFD. Like, who doesnāt have a PAC of one kind or another during one of our presidential elections?
I admit that the general writing, storylines and dialog in these latest episodes of our Kabuki Theatre/political soap opera since Trump have gotten better, but the āRussia did itā subplot has become ultra-boring.
Itās just not working anymore and the writers and producers need to retire it and āmove onā.
Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?
Hell Pat, you should talk to the Master, …I started real wars just for fun, circulation, and profit. and you can’t even sell books anymore.
“Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?”
Hell no! Nadler goes around saying it is, expecting that it should be, all because he says it is. Get unbent, Nadler!
Just finished watching part 2 of the Skank Hunt series in South Parkās 20th season. That is what this āscandalā amounts to. Russian version of Gerald Broflovski calling women nasty names on the twitter verse. Oh my God, everyone. Russians are trolling the internet, saying vile and racist things to get people worked up. My Good Lord. The sky is falling.
I know. It is as much a revelation as the āpoor have no moneyā. Say this enough on Oprah, or MSNBC, and then the whole nation is alerted to the widening scandal, that over all these years, the reason the poor are poor, is a conspiracy whereby they have no money.
2020: A Democrat victory will lead us to war with Russia….
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What if the left started a war against Russia and Americaās warriors didnāt show up? The Democrats would have to win with feminists, homosexuals, and gun-shy metrosexual males.
Source: Free Republic
